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Seancho
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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Just a couple notes |
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I've decided not to tamper with Spiraling Expences. This is in part to make your game tougher. Yeah it sucks when you cant afford to replace players, but frankly its fair. you'd have to cut players to get new ones, its part of the Sports world. sure the guys good, but if you cant afford it he'd probably leave anyway. this will hurt big teams like elves, dwarves, and chaos. but arnt those the ones most people complain about anyway? Next topic
New Teams. Anyone playing a new team will build it based on the 1,000,000 rule. Teams from last season got their free 5 Fan Factor as a way of making up for having to start from scratch again.
Tournaments. Tournaments will be open to teams of different values. this is to keep big teams from entering a minor tourny and killing everyone while the big matches are for teams that would be there to begin with.
IE. My dwarves wouldnt play in the Goblin cup but might play in the medical and Chaos cup.
When a tourny is announced a team value will be listed as the Cap for the highest or lowest allowed to attend. take these tournaments as a chance to build teams. as with most of them, theres little to risk but much to gain.
The Goblin Cup shall be held August 2nd if all things stay as planned. *at CMU if its opened, Cathedral if its not* Teams with a TV higher then 1,200,000 are too rich to join. Theres no prize money or bonus money to be earned. just Fan Factor. goblins loves them some blood bowl. It'll be single elimination.
Unsportsmen like conduct. Any team caught giving up, threatening, or down right murdering other teams will automaticly forefit the match as following Conceding rules. I don't care if your down to your last halfling you dont quit if theres a chance. dont want to hear you remark on removing body parts and harming someone with it because they out played you. and if your caught gunning to kill players rather then score when theres nothing stoping you, I will kill off that player whose earned the most SPP on your roster.
As always, Anyone wanting to take over commisionship speak up, otherwise My word is still law in this league. I hope to see a few more "squishy" teams. Teir 1 are fine. but Teir 2 and 3 are where the funs at.
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Mark
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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This all sounds very good. I especially like the caps on tournaments.
Might I also suggest for the next season we put a max differential between teams as a guideline. That way, for example, if there was a 400k max differential, a $1.2M team wouldn't have to play a $1.8M team unless they wanted to.
Also, I would like to bring up the point of fan factor. I strongly feel that the teams that were started this past season should, across the board, lose the 5 bonus fan factor that was given at the beginning of the season. There area couple reasons for this.
First off, we switched to LRB5, so fan factor had less of an effect on winnings than was previously the case. I know the bonus fan factor was partly intended to prevent people from sitting at 1 fan factor and making the game worth nothing as far as cash.
Second, the five bonus fan factor throws off the math for spiraling expenses. Now, I have nothing at all wrong with the spiraling expenses rules. In fact, I think they work just fine. The problem comes in from the way FAME works. My impression from listening to the people who wrote the rule was that FAME was meant to allow high value teams with high fan factor to still be viable by getting the extra $10k for +2 FAME. Now, starting with the 5 free fan factor had no discernible effect on the season as it rarely, if ever, came into play. The issue comes as we move forward and continue to use the same teams. Having the free fan factor makes it significantly harder to keep a team running at higher team values. As such, the 5 free fan factor does not really help any team in the way I think it was intended but instead has the unintended consequence of unnecessarily hamstringing developed teams. Because the +2 FAME is nigh impossible to get, you have effectively dropped the winning down a level and made spiraling expenses much more harsh.
Despite the long winded explanation, my solution is simple. I propose that all teams that started this past season and will continue on simply lose the 5 free fan factor. This will put the FAME issue back in balance and any gains/losses as a result of the kickoff tables will basically cancel out. |
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Seancho
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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well I have no real objections to all teams losing 5 FF however you also lose the 50,000 TV it added.
i want to hear a few other opinions on this before I decide for sure though
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| That is exactly what I was thinking. |
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kalador101
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I've always been a fan of the alternate version where each team starts at 5 Fan factor, adjusts as normal, BUT fan factor is not calculated into Team rating. AKA it's an independent factor that goes up and down, but it doesn't effect your rating.
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| I think I agree with what mark says, I do like spiraling expensive, the better your players play, the more money you have to pay to keep them. Its like hockey so I like it and it prevents teams from getting too good. But as mark says the 5 fan factor is going to start to hurt teams more then help as it was intended to, especally teams who carry over from last season. Imo we should keep that rule for new teams joining the league this season but drop it for teams that carry over into next season. + Most of the advanced teams have more then enough money to buy fan factor if they need it. |
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Seancho
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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ok ya knuckle heads. READ WHAT I WROTE!
NEW TEAMS thats teams being formed now do NOT get to start with the 5 fan factor unless they pay for it themselves out of their starting 1,000,000
Teams from last season got 5 FF to start as a way to make up for having to reset.
As far as teams from last season go. they dont need to be changed. theres no plans on dealing with them yet so just stop worrying about it already. sheesh.
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| are we allowed to play a game or 2 before the torny so we can raise our team value to 1.2 mill or do we have to stick to a starting team if we chose to enter a new one into this torny? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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if you raise your value higher then 1,200,000 you wont be able to play in it...
its a poor mans tourney. new teams work best for this.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hello John,
I'll be starting a new team for the Goblin Cup. As such, I'd be happy to get in a game or two with you.
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krootman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hello John,
I'll be starting a new team for the Goblin Cup. As such, I'd be happy to get in a game or two with you. |
yea ok I can do that, let me know when you would like to get a game or 2 in. |
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ColdBloo3d3d_Ki113r
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Me too ill be doing orcs or goblins
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I'd be up for Bloodbowl some Saturday. This Saturday wouldn't be so good as I'll be playing D&D most of the day. In fact I may not even have my 40k stuff with me.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd be up for Bloodbowl some Saturday. This Saturday wouldn't be so good as I'll be playing D&D most of the day. In fact I may not even have my 40k stuff with me. |
thats fine, im a retard and left my team back home so ill have to get them shipped out or use a proxy team from sean (PLEASSEEE) so maybe next week if not the week after, but next week sounds like it would be the best. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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thats fine. I can pack an undead cluster for you to use. as long as all im carrying is just that team. I dont plan on playing any BB until the day of the tourny. rather go in it unskilled and school you suckers then bring some built up scrub team
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